they're going to move to indiana or wisconsin. so this city, or maybe this state, is going to be left with even emptier schools, even less used infrastructure. the last mayor sold off the skyway. he sold off the parking meters. he was trying to sell the fresh water, but that they put the kibosh on. it's just horrible. it's horrible. i'll tell you, when we talk about greece or portugal or spain and think it's way over the ocean, it doesn't hit us, this is our own southern part of europe in chicago, in illinois. they never say no to unions our guest is right. they say they can make 8.5 or 8% on their investments. they don't make their contributions. they're so underfunded. i don't know what they can do but basically cut a lot of benefits. i'll tell you what, whether it's michigan or illinois, democrats have never said no. they've never asked for anything. this is going to be quite a sight to behold. >> quite a sight to behold. sounds like a scary end game at this stage. lawrence, rick, thank you for weighing in. it's a very worrying